October 25, 2009
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What grade do you think I'll get on this assignment
Part of My Response.
First of all. I would have to say this quiz is absolutely horrible for perpetuating the stereotypes of men think “logically” and women think with “care.” That is absolutely ridiculous and completely unacceptable in my book. Obviously this quiz isn’t scientific, I realize that, but I would expect a fun quiz like this not to have sexism in it. That is absolutely ridiculous. Just because I have a vagina I’m more predisposed to thinking with “care.” Seriously, did you look at this quiz before you decided to use it for your class? Come on, this is unacceptable. Or am I being too emotional because I have a vagina? Give me a break. Take me back to my sociology major.
What a week.
Comments (71)
A+ in my book sweetheart
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@Dustin_wind - LOL so random.
HA! ok, how stereotypical was it? explain. Don't give up on Biz yet!
@ShimmerBodyCream - Lol I try =P
@GreekPhysique - Business ethics class. It was a quiz comparing caring ethics vs justice ethics. It was supposed to be a relatively easy assignment, just a short "intro" assignment. You took the quiz and got your score back. For example I leaned more towards justice ethics.
However, the quiz then pointed out - randomly, out of the blue - that women lean towards caring ethics and men leans more towards logical thinking.
I was about to logical think my foot right up their....
http://ethicsandbusiness.org/stylequiz.htm
you can take it and you see what I mean on the results page.
chu talking bout, i have to say thats what they taught us in developmental psychology as well
@Binh_Bong - Is chu a word?
thats how i say it so thats how i spell it love <3
@Binh_Bong - say what??
@ShimmerBodyCream - thats how i say "you"
@Binh_Bong - o i kinda get it. Yeah, I suppose it wasn't the fact the topic brought up, it was the context in which the topic was brought up. Why even mention it? I understand for psychology or what not... but business!?
@ShimmerBodyCream - yea, well business has a flaw in that in thinks women are too emotional based or whatever, but when youre down and out id rather rest on a womans bosoms for comfort than a mans logic.
@Binh_Bong - yeah. business is generally pretty sexist. I thought I would take it upon myself to inform the instructor that. ha ha.
Yeah boobies are way comfier to cry into.
yea, but i tend not to be a cry baby around the ladies since its kind of hard to penetrate my defense (when it comes to love and the likes)
I had to re subscribe to you after I erased everyone. Now I will read your post.
men think “logically” and women think with “care.”
Who the fuck said this Cocktarded bullshit??? We need to drive a railroad spike through his nut sack and into his pathetic little prostate.
When it comes to communication women are actually much much smarter then men. OBVIOUSLY!
lol holy shit you gain popularity so fast - you're now known as the infamous xanga troll in XangaLand with a Lovelyish Mancouch post to go with it
@ShimmerBodyCream - It's not "out of the blue", it's an empirically grounded claim; on average, males and females (on average, with many exceptions of course) tend to think in reason in substantially different ways when presented various hypothetical ethical scenarios. This was first demonstrated by Carol Gilligan, who discusses it in her very influential book "In a Different Voice".
It's worth noting that Gilligan's empirical work and her analysis of it in fact struck a blow against earlier sexist conclusions drawn by psychologists like Lawrence Kohlberg. Kohlberg had argued that women were morally inferior to men on average, because they were less likely to reach the "highest" stage of moral reasoning in terms of abstract, justice-based principles (a conclusion that was also based on numerous empirical studies). By demonstrating that women simply reached a different kind of peak of moral development, she helped to establish that women were not at all morally inferior on average, just different. So, you might be a bit more cautious with what you label "sexist".
*edit*
After following your link, I see that after the quiz the professor in fact provides a link to a detailed explanation of the work of Gilligan and Kohlberg and how it relates to the claim that men and women tend, on average, to reason about ethics in different ways, and how the research connects with traditional theories of ethics (which obviously makes it relevant to a business ethics class). It might have done you good to read all of that before you reacted.
@chaospet - my point was it was completely out of context. Its like studying theft in business and mentioning that black people would have a higher percentage of commiting theft. Nonsensical.
@phuck_diz_shiz - hey thanks for telling me. was wondering why i was getting random comments o_O
@ChevalierSeingal@datingish - and this is why I love you.
@ShimmerBodyCream -
Actually, it's not a stereotype. It's the outward manifestation of the result of the discrepency in behavior created by masculinzation of the brain in males inside the womb.Men are also better at spatial thinking while women are better at handling interpersonal affairs and multitasking. Dunno why people get offended at this. Generally, the different genders are just better at different types of thinking. =)
@striemmy - again, if this was brought up in a psychology class, etc it would be semi understandable. It was the out of the blue context in which it was said.
@ShimmerBodyCream - I'm not sure I follow. Are you off-put by the inappropriateness of the context in which the sentiment was expressed in the way that someone might feel weird about someone talking about the average length of a human penis at a business meeting about toothpaste?
@striemmy - exactly.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Alrighty then. =)
so, this was the nice part of your response, then?
mancouch would love this.
thats fucking hilarious ur a xanga celebrity now on mancoach n shit...
@ShimmerBodyCream - It is pretty obviously within the context of the quiz you linked to. The questions in the quiz are about the two distinct styles of ethical thinking that emerge from Gilligan's work, so mentioning a central aspect Gilligan's work seems pretty obviously relevant. Nothing "out of the blue" about it.
@chaospet - When dealing specifically with care and justice ethics gender is irrelevant to the quiz score and the results of that score.
@ShimmerBodyCream - The very distinction between care-based ethics and justice-based ethics arises from gender studies, so gender could not possibly be more relevant. The simple fact is that you reacted out of ignorance of the topic at hand, ignorance which could very easily have been remedied had you merely followed the link your professor provided.
Hah, I wish I'd have had the spine to write that on just one of the many bullshit sociology quizzes we had to take in high school...please tell me you turned it in like that.
@FairyTalesAndWhiskey - Yes, I turned that in. The kicker is I got 100% on my assignment. ha ha.
@chaospet - No. I did follow the link.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Then you should realize based on the material your professor linked to that gender is, in fact, quite relevant to the distinction between care-based and justice-based ethics.
@chaospet - I do see what you mean after rereading the link. I noticed this seems to be an extension (or perhaps the same thing?) as "feminist" ethics. I see where it is relevant to the topic and not completely off base but it is not relevant to the quiz in that our personal outcomes could be totally different and we could have excluded gender. Now I'm starting to question... why even have a quiz like that? care based vs justice based ethics if it is gender embedded.
The feminist ethics/care based ethics have been touted as "feminist," etc but that is really just a guise. Of course women are going to think totally different from men - they are socialized to do so. Socialization and the outward environment affects our brain/psychology etc.
But anyway,
I appreciate you taking your time to give me valid points. Now I know what I really should be angry at. ha ha.
F- all the way.
@mathematicalbagpiper - haha. ur such a turd. I got an A
@ShimmerBodyCream - Here's the problem with your response:
1) Lacks depth and substance. You merely stated your opinions without backing them up with facts.
2) Your trademark vulgarity shows. You could have said "just because I'm a woman" instead of "just because I have a vagina." The genitals (unless we're talking about a paper over the topics of anatomy and/or sex) have no place in a response of this type.
Wow, if that got you an A your teacher must suck.
@mathematicalbagpiper - Here were the facts I pointed out:
1) The quiz is perpetuating a stereotype.
2) Quizzes in business shouldn't have sexism in them.
3) Certain sex organs do not influence how one thinks.
My teacher appreciates my greatness.
@ShimmerBodyCream - You pointed out merely opinion, here's why:
1) That's your opinion. Can you give examples of questions that you think are sexist/stereotypical, and why they are sexist/stereotypical? Here you did not.
2) I'll agree with that, but you've yet to show how the quiz was indeed sexist.
3) It's assumed you have a vagina if you say you are a woman, therefore you can say that without your trademark vulgarity.
Wow, you must go to a liberal state university to get away with shit like that.
@mathematicalbagpiper -
1) The quiz results were stereotypical by saying females think this way - men think this way.
2) I posted the link to the quiz
3) My vagina is awesome.
I made a valid point. I'm not afraid to challenge my teachers. That post was abnormally harsh - why I posted it. Even for me. ha ha. But its great for class discussion.
Not to be the one who perpetuates stereotype, maybe looking at it in terms of men, it could be true. A lot of men seem to lack empathy on many levels. And some dumb girls, myself definetely included, are overly empathetic to everyone.I don't think the word should have been "logically" though. I think women are as capable, if not more so, of thinking logically then men. Walk around a grocery store one day and that proves itself in an instant.Women tend to have lists, usually organized. Some have coupons. But they tend to get what they need. Most men I know buy a lot of chips.
It seems unacceptable to have that in any quiz or lecture.
Sure fire A, no doubt. In my book. And if prof was doing what I think he was, he'd give you as much, too!! I bet many disappointed..but you, never!
@Zlamanakobieta - I see what you are saying. And as a matter of fact I do think women are more caring and empathetic because we are socialized to be so. And the quiz saying women are more caring further reinforces that socialization. So I agree with you.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Can you for once not interject vulgarity into something?
@mathematicalbagpiper - Fuck you.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Thank you miss low-life gutter snipe. (to quote my good friend Paige).
@mathematicalbagpiper - And my previous comment to you did not have vulgarity in it. Unless you consider vaginas to be vulgar, in which case I feel sorry for you.
@ShimmerBodyCream - I think we were talking about stereotypes/sexism, NOT sex or anatomy, therefore it's vulgar in that context.
@mathematicalbagpiper - Having a vagina is offensive then? Sexism is about having a vagina or not. That is kind of the point. Your anatomy determines your sex. Your sex determines whether you experience sexism.
@ShimmerBodyCream - You're missing the point. It's obviously assumed you have a vagina if you say you're a woman. What I'm saying is you could have been more eloquent and said "Just because I'm female" or "Just because I'm a woman" without resorting to bring genitalia into it. If you say you're a woman, people will know you have a vagina and you don't even have to bring that up.
@mathematicalbagpiper - Female can mean sex or gender. Vagina determines my sex. Its more accurate. Why is mentioning a vagina not eloquent? There shouldn't be anything offensive about the word vagina. Where the fuck do you think you came from? A vagina.
Who knew you were so popular?I was on mancouch a sec ago, thats insane!Props to you for saying whatever you think.Thats why it's called a prompt.
@Zlamanakobieta - hehehe thanks
A+
For that kind of response I would give you an A+. I'm interested in finding out what your professor thought. I just subbed to you by the way. I love your page. I still haven't figured out themes but If you'd help me it'd be awesome.
thank you for the hugs <3
i need all the hugs i can get.
between college and work and reality
it's wearing me down.
You need a layout and not a theme! Themes are stupid. They have adds on them and crap. You also need a playlist.
Yeah, I was gonna say, men think logically and with care. Women rarely think with either (women rarely think at all!). Women usually only think logically about what they can get for themselves, and only usually care about how much they can hurt someone.
@S_K_O_T - lulz
XD!
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